Got milk?

[No Kidding!]

Ever since I've been diagnosed, I've been making myself eat more dairy than
usual.

Today I've read several articles that have stated milk isn't all that great
for preventing osteoporsis and that certain countries that ingest more dairy
have an even higher rate of osteoporsis.

Since I have eczema, I'd prefer not to drink milk *every* day, but it's
quick and easy (and beats taking pills twice a day). I guess milk isn't the
answer, either.

One of the articles
http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/milk.htm
NK

[Françoise]

In one of the Scandinavian countries (I thing it is Norway), there has been a
study about this. Because they drink a lot of milk and they have more
osteoporosis. Some concluded that milk was not good for osteoporosis

The conclusion was WRONG. In this country, they supplement the milk with vitamin
A. They found out that it was not the milk itself but the vitamin A as
supplement that prevents the absorption of calcium. Milk is still the best
source of calcium and its calcium is the best assimilated. Also in North
America, milk is supplemented with vitamin D that is necessary for the
absorption of calcium.

When we think that a northern country has a lot less sun, less chance for
individuals to get enough vitamin D it is not surprising to find that these
countries has more osteoporosis than a southern country.

I do not remember if vitamin A was added instead of vitamin D but if it were the
case, the population in general would be very short on vitamin D.

Two other points worth mentioning are that
1.- skim milk is much better for the bones because of the fat in the whole milk.

2.- vitamin D is not added to cheese or other dairy products.

This study reminds me of a joke:
One man drank rum with water and he got drunk
Then he drank gin with water and he also got drunk.
Then he tried scotch with water and again got drunk.
He concluded that it was the water that made him drunk.

Françoise.
"No Kidding!" wrote:

> Ever since I've been diagnosed, I've been making myself eat more dairy than
> usual.
>
> Today I've read several articles that have stated milk isn't all that great
> for preventing osteoporsis and that certain countries that ingest more dairy
> have an even higher rate of osteoporsis.
>
> Since I have eczema, I'd prefer not to drink milk *every* day, but it's
> quick and easy (and beats taking pills twice a day). I guess milk isn'tthe
> answer, either.
>
> One of the articles
> http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/milk.htm
> NK

[Beach Runner@nospam.com]

It's simple. In nations that don't drink milk at all, AND, don't drink
soda pop, they don't have osteoporosis. It's the fact that in western society,
those families that drink milk drink less soda. There are MUCH better sources
of calcium.

Read the Bone Density Diet by George Kessler instead of just guessing.



"No Kidding!" wrote:

> Thank you for this. The internet is a wonderful thing but sometimes I am
> innundated with too much information and it's hard to tell what to believe.
> NK
>
> "Françoise" <jackf@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:3F46A819.50BE948C@sympatico.ca...
> In one of the Scandinavian countries (I thing it is tNorway), there has been
> a
> study about this. Because they drink a lot of milk and they have more
> osteoporosis. Some concluded that milk was not good for osteoporosis
>
> The conclusion was WRONG. In this country, they supplement the milk with
> vitamin
> A. They found out that it was not the milk itself but the vitamin A as
> supplement that prevents the absorption of calcium. Milk is still the best
> source of calcium and its calcium is the best assimilated. Also in North
> America, milk is supplemented with vitamin D that is necessary for the
> absorption of calcium.
>
> When we think that a northern country has a lot less sun, less chance for
> individuals to get enough vitamin D it is not surprising to find that these
> countries has more osteoporosis than a southern country.
>
> I do not remember if vitamin A was added instead of vitamin D but if it were
> the
> case, the population in general would be very short on vitamin D.
>
> Two other points worth mentioning are that
> 1.- skim milk is much better for the bones because of the fat in the whole
> milk.
>
> 2.- vitamin D is not added to cheese or other dairy products.
>
> This study reminds me of a joke:
> One man drank rum with water and he got drunk
> Then he drank gin with water and he also got drunk.
> Then he tried scotch with water and again got drunk.
> He concluded that it was the water that made him drunk.
>
> Françoise.
> "No Kidding!" wrote:
>
> > Ever since I've been diagnosed, I've been making myself eat more dairy
> than
> > usual.
> >
> > Today I've read several articles that have stated milk isn't all that
> great
> > for preventing osteoporsis and that certain countries that ingest more
> dairy
> > have an even higher rate of osteoporsis.
> >
> > Since I have eczema, I'd prefer not to drink milk *every* day, but it's
> > quick and easy (and beats taking pills twice a day). I guess milk isn't
> the
> > answer, either.
> >
> > One of the articles
> > http://www.vegsource.com/attwood/milk.htm
> > NK

[Tom Warner]

<Beach> wrote:

> It's simple. In nations that don't drink milk at all, AND, don't drink
> soda pop, they don't have osteoporosis.

Wow, nations with no milk, no soft drinks, and no osteoporosis.

How interesting. Could you list them please?

All the best,
Tom
--
My ol' grandaddy taught me to always;
post in plain text,
quote only that portion to which you are replying,
post replies at the bottom.

[Françoise]

These people were working very hard and carrying heavy loads. They were walking
long distance and everything that is good for the bones.

As they "westernize", they work in offices, watch TV, drive their cars
everywhere and smoke and everything that is no good for the bones.

Françoise.

Beach, Runner@nospam.com wrote:

> All the Asian nations, it's rare in. Such as Japan and China.
> They don't use a lot of dairy.
>
> As their diets "westernize" we start to see changes.
>
> Tom Warner wrote:
>
> > <Beach> wrote:
> >
> > > It's simple. In nations that don't drink milk at all, AND, don't drink
> > > soda pop, they don't have osteoporosis.
> >
> > Wow, nations with no milk, no soft drinks, and no osteoporosis.
> >
> > How interesting. Could you list them please?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Tom
> > --
> > My ol' grandaddy taught me to always;
> > post in plain text,
> > quote only that portion to which you are replying,
> > post replies at the bottom.

[Beach Runner@nospam.com]

It's not the only book I read. Once diagnosed I read everything
on the web I could find. And the suggestions in that book
sure worked for me!

Bob

Tom Warner wrote:

> <Beach> wrote:
>
> > I got most of my data from the Bone Density Diet
> > by George Kessler,
>
> This is from the Tokyo Weekender:
>
> "I don't have any statistics about osteoporosis in the Japanese
> population as yet, but Dr. Koichi Fujii, of the Tokyo Medical Surgical
> Clinic, tells me it is common among Japanese women. (All Asian women
> are considered "high risk" for this condition.)"
>
> I think that reading one book and taking it as gospel and touting that
> book as 'the answer' is not the best idea.
>
> Kessler _might_ be right on the money with his dietary tips but saying
> things like 'they don't get osteoporosis' is misleading and untrue.
> --
> My ol' grandaddy taught me to always;
> post in plain text,
> quote only that portion to which you are replying,
> post replies at the bottom.